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AAR CUDA RACING IN EUROPE
04/26/05 at 5:34am
 
I am a big fan of AAR cuda, I know all about her trans am racing and specifications, I have tons of pictures on my computer, sounds everything.........but one day i was on www.historictransam.com and i found something about aar cuda europe racing........
 
http://www.historictransam.com/Drivers/RandyPeterson.htm
""After completing the 1970 season, the car was returned to Chrysler and
was
successfully raced in Europe.""
 
I sent email to historictransam but i dont get any answer so i sent the same email to aar registry. They sent me this answer:
"""The AAR you are referring to was on eBay back in April 2003 and showed up
this year fully restored at the world famous Barrett-Jackson auction.
 
The 2003 Ebay auction had the following description:
 
"1970 AAR Cuda TransAm Racecar. Built by Dan Gurney All American Racers.
This car was built from a body in white. This is the 3rd car built of the
three team cars. It ran after the 2nd team car was crashed by Swede Savage.
This was the last car that Dan Gurney drove before his retirement after the
Riverside TransAm race in 1970. After the 1970 TransAm season the car was
sent to Europe where it ran at LeMans. (Refer to attached photo. Yellow &
Black Car #65) It also won 2 European championships driven by Harry Chemin.
The car was in Europe from 1971 until I shipped it back to the U.S. earlier
this month 04 / 03. The car is currently painted red and white and is as it
last raced at a vintage race in 1992. I have a substantial amount of
documentation for the car including a letter from Chrysler documenting its
transfer from the U.S. to Chrysler in Europe. If you are seriously
interested and would like more information about the car or would like to
make an appointment to view it, please call me, Randy Peterson, at (707)
974-8061.""""
 
Here on transamcuda i get this email:
"""Yes actually I do a little about the car. However I
dont really know much about the car when it was in France or England. I know
the car was sold last year to a guy name dRandy peterson who restored the
car back to its original form when it was a Dan Gurneys car. The car
recently was put up for auction at Barrett Jackson and Craig Jackson
actually wound up buying the car. I have been told by Gary Savage that when
the car was in France it hit incredible speeds with the Hemi in it but wasnt
competitive as the Hemi didnt hold up well. Heres a few lines from an email
I got from Garay Savage about the car.
 
"The spare car #3 chassis is the one that is in England or somewhere in
Europe.  After the '70 season, it was sent over to France, had a hemi put in
it and ran it at LeMans in '71-72.  Of course, the hemi never lasted 24
hours, but it is rumored that they clocked the 'Cuda at 190 MPH down the
Mulsane straight.  I can believe it, as I've had our car up to 160 MPH with
a 4.11 rear end and a small block.  I've had our stock bodied '73 Challenger
Petty Kit car up to 180 MPH at Daytona and that's with no front spoiler.
Kinda wild!  Anyway, I hope that helps a bit.  If you have any other
questions, just fire away!  Take it easy. "
 
On my web board there is a guy who goes by GURSAVSKI he has alot of
knowledge on these cars and could probably  help you out a little bit. Heres
the link to the board."""
 
 
What do you know about lemans racing with AAR cuda and what were those 2 European championships that cuda won?
 
Thanks for all your answers
 
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Reply #1 - 04/27/05 at 11:58am
 
I think it won Group2 sedan races in 72 and 73. It has a winnig history.  Cheesy
 
I have a few photos from it in france. There is a small website with it that tells which drivers had it and a brief history.
 
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Reply #2 - 04/27/05 at 3:15pm
 
Quote from eh-body   on 04/27/05 at 11:58am:
I think it won Group2 sedan races in 72 and 73. It has a winnig history.  Cheesy

I have a few photos from it in france. There is a small website with it that tells which drivers had it and a brief history.

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You know the website address?
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Reply #3 - 04/27/05 at 9:47pm
 
Just found it. Wink I had a bookmark barf.  
 
http://dodgerphilou.chez.tiscali.fr/cudafr.htm    
It is in french.
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Reply #4 - 04/28/05 at 3:12am
 
Quote from eh-body   on 04/27/05 at 9:47pm:
Just found it. Wink I had a bookmark barf.

http://dodgerphilou.chez.tiscali.fr/cudafr.htm    
It is in french.

 
Thanks for your help! Website is very useful......i will try to decode this french Grin
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Reply #5 - 07/29/05 at 5:03pm
 
Here's a photo of the 50231 AAR Barracuda at a hill climb (course de cote) in 1976. This car competed in Group 1 and, sometimes, Group 2 (prototype) categories. Stay tuned----i'll post more information about this car's European racing exploits in the near future.
 
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Reply #6 - 07/30/05 at 2:54pm
 
Here's another photo of Henri Chemin's Barracuda (AAR #50231) competing on a road course (Monthlery Circuit) in 1972. This was a press photo used by Chrysler of France to promote their team.
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Reply #7 - 08/09/05 at 8:58pm
 
Thanks for informations and pictures GURSAVSKI Grin
Are there any more pages about cuda europe racing?
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Reply #8 - 08/09/05 at 11:08pm
 
You're wecome! (This subject was posted in another forum and I must not have seen it earlier. It has been moved into the AAR-T/A Race Forum, as you can see.) I'm sorry for the long delay in response.
 
Another website where you can get some race results and photos of the European Hemicudas is:
http://etcc-history.it4us.nl/    (Can you spot the Hemicuda?)  Smiley
 
The above website has many great photos of the various European Touring Cars and quite a number of race results, some of them incomplete, however. But, all in all, an excellent website for information of the ETCC and other series (including Trans-Am).
 
http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jong/Pages/1973%20p%20spa%2024h.html
 
A photo of the Bertinchamps/Deprez Hemicuda, 1973 Spa 24 hrs.
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Reply #9 - 08/10/05 at 12:28pm
 
Thanks man!! Great website!!
I have found hemicuda on the picture Grin (see attachment)
Was this all stock hemi cuda?
Because stock hemi cudas have very bad handling(engine is just too heavy, you already know that) and i see a lot of turns on these pictures...so how is racing with hemicuda possible?
 
I have two more questions:
At this race Spa they were racing full 24hours or what?
Did cuda finish the race?
 
OK i have found it......at spa 1973 hemicuda was 27th, at spa 1974 this happened: http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jong/Pages/1974%20p%20spa%2024h.html
 
Thanks again for a great website!!!
 
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Reply #10 - 08/10/05 at 11:31pm
 
Again, you're welcome (and you have a sharp eye)!! I'm happy you enjoy the website.
 
To the best of my limited knowledge, depending in what group or class the Hemicudas competed, the cars were supposed to be production automobiles. Some modifications MAY have been allowed in certain instances. I notice that some of the cars are not equipped with a rollcage; some are. (The rollcage would tend to stiffen the chassis and improve handling, somewhat.) The Hemi engines were most likely "blueprinted" for the maximum amount of performance. Perhaps the front suspensions on these cars were also "tuned" with stiffer torsion-bars  and the chassis subtly reinforced?
 
One characteristic of the Hemicuda's engine was its voracious appetite for gasoline, not a good thing in an endurance race. (Too much time lost coming into the pits and refueling.) One race report from Spa 1974 said the Hemicuda had to stop every nine laps to refuel. The winning car completed 294 laps in that 24 hour race. (This was the year the Hemicuda had to drop out because of the driver's illness.)
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Reply #11 - 08/11/05 at 4:35am
 
So why did they use a hemi for those races? They could use a 340+6,303ci or any smaller engine....What do you think?
 
I have found that racing camaros had a 5700cc v8....so hemi was the biggest engine ever on those races undecided
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Reply #12 - 08/12/05 at 8:40am
 
I have seen this French Hemicuda a couple of times at the Mopar EuroNats in the UK. Cool car.
 
There was also a 1970 Hemicuda circuit raced here in the UK.
I heard the guy had used a smaller engined Barracuda and he obviously thought that this new Hemi version would be quick enough on the straights to make up for its lack of speed around the corners. Maybe he could defend the corners well?
 
I was offered it for sale for $1,300 back in the early 1980s but I had just bought another car so didn't have the cash. It only had a 318 fitted though and no-one knew where the hemi was.
 
It past through the hands of quite a few local (N.E. England) people I know know through this hobby (they are all kicking themselves now!) before it was eventually bought by someone who knew what they had.
 
At the same time someone else found the engine and was looking for the car.
 
They argued for a few years over this. The guy with the engine would not sell because he wanted the car. The guys with the car would not sell because they wanted the engine.
 
Eventually the guy with the engine excepted an offer and the car was restored to quite a high standard. It was then sold to a guy in Sweden and later to someone in the USA I think?
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Reply #13 - 08/14/05 at 5:54pm
 
The Hemicudas were initially raced in Europe as a factory team. ECURIE CHRYSLER FRANCE, headed by Henri Chemin, competed in various race groups in Europe to promote the Chrysler-Simca vehicles available in Europe. THE SIMCA-SHELL CHALLENGE was a race series that further promoted the Simca cars. The Hemicudas were loud, fast, and quite a spectacle at the race courses. They were very fast and powerful and this, obviously, contributed to their success in hill-climb events. The prevailing thought in Europe, as well as in America, was "Race on Sunday; Sell on Monday". What better way to attract the racing public's attention than to present flashy fast racecars?
 
The 426 cid Hemicudas competed against 427 cid Camaros and 427 cid Mustangs in some of the race events. Yes, they were among the largest displacement engine sizes that raced in Europe at that time. To the best of my limited knowledge, privateer Hemicudas were entered in European events as late as 1977.
 
Attachment: 1971 Ecurie Chrysler France publicity photo. (Henri Chemin  wearing white jacket, passenger side of the Barracuda.)
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Reply #14 - 08/14/05 at 10:31pm
 
Awesome photo, do you have any more?  Grin
 
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